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This is for all Christians that say Islam is a cult.

Umer wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3294325.stm



This is for all Christians that say Islam is a cult.

The Christians are mourning, there head child molester has died!(pope)
I wont shed a tare for him! They have more molesters to take his place!
My he rest in there so call hell!

When one person suffers from a delusion, it is call insanity. When many people suffer from a deluson, it is call a religion." - Robert M. Pirsig

"The world holds two classes of men -- intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence." [Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma'arri (973-1057; Syrian poet)]

“ Religion is a fancy of the weak minded.”

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said 'Stop! don't do it!'
'Why shouldn't I?' he said.
I said, 'Well, there's so much to live for!'
He said, 'Like what?'
I said, 'Well...are you religious or atheist?'
He said, 'Religious.'
I said, 'Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?'
He said, 'Christian.'
I said, 'Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?'
He said, 'Protestant.'
I said, 'Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?'
He said, 'Baptist!'
I said, 'Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist church of god or Baptist church of the lord?'
He said, 'Baptist church of god!'
I said, 'Me too! Are you original Baptist church of god, or are you reformed Baptist church of god?'
He said, 'Reformed Baptist church of god!'
I said, 'Me too! Are you reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?'
He said, 'Reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!'
I said, 'Die, heretic scum!' and pushed him off the bridge. - Emo Phillips

"Faith in God is a luxury that can be afforded by those who haven't invested much in reason." One man’s religion is another man’s belly laugh. –Robert A. Heinlein

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."
Gene Roddenberry

Yeah I agree, they wouldn't want me to come in a tear their Christain and Muslim so-called darkages holy books apart. They wouldn't want me to quote this from one their beloved Hadiths books. HERE is a great story about their Blessed Prophet Mohammad taken right out of one Hadith books by "sahih Bukhari" which is considered by Muslims to be the most authentic.

Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:
"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We
went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."

Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
"Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha
while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years till his death.""

All the Priest that have ever in history been convicted of Child Molestation has been imprisoned, some Priest have even been killed by other prisoners not long AFTER they had been imprisoned.

BUT here we have a man who had self proclaimed to be a prophet who took a marriage contract out with the young child age of 6 years old, and then consummated with at HER YOUNG AGE of just nine years old. SHE WAS Just A little CHILD. So the 10s of thousands of people look at that sort of thing Mohammad sexually molested a child, and then we have millions of Muslims, in Islam, who hold this man in the highest regard.

So when others throw shit up about any religion, I say "ONE" is as bad as the "OTHER, Christianity, and Islam. Also Both the Bible, and the Quran, and the Hadiths were written in the Middle ages... THEY were written for the people of that time, The people of this time now are 10's of millions of times more advanced now to even think to live by any books of this sort.

Ok all you Muslims and Christians can try to tear all I said apart, BUT all of you guys know it is the truth. ANYWAY that is all I have to say about the so-called religious crap.

Take care.......

I won't tear you apart, but your information is exactly like saying that Islam was spread by the sword, and it's not the truth, you can even research from a Christian historian and find that answer, it is exactly the same with Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) relationship with his wife ayesha, he married her when she was 9 but they did not have any contact nor was she brought into his house until she was 16, you can argue with me here but you can find that with any historian that is not secretly a priest or a rabbi. The secular historians I mean.

P.S. I didn't attack Christianity, I was just letting people know that shit around the world happens, doesn't mean the whole religion is screwed up or all of it's people, like I have heard so many times on this forum. Now you know how it feels.

I said: ANYWAY that is all I have to say about the so-called religious crap.

Other than this:

Religion is the downfall of all men and women, and nations. AND I am talking about ALL religions, every single one. FUCK religion, it has only brought death and distruction between nations, and people. Everyone always thinks their religion is the right one. That is why I say FUCK RELIGION of all kinds. Man made religions is a tumor ready to blow the world into balivea. I think all religions are nothing but evil cults. DEATH is all it brings to man.

It's another thing when anyone believes in GOD. NOW that is the way to go. BUT KEEP man made religions and man made denominations and name made doctrines out of how one worships, and we all should all get along just fine. BUT when everyone get's together and starts discussing on who's religion is the right way to go, then that's when all hell breaks loose and killing starts........... ALL religions are noting but jokes that man made up to justify themselves for their wrong doings. SO FUCK ALL religions, and all of it" is just as bad as the other.

Take care.....

Humans have a necessity to be a part of a group. Group means survival. You see, what I've realized now is that muslims may be the only people in this world who don't think of Islam as a religion because there are many religions, I'm speaking metaphorically, that they don't think of it as some religion that is good. They think of it as a way of life, first you must live with a devout muslim to know what I'm talking about and why so many people embrace it. It's like a global identity, something that can't be done by even the biggest organization, I know what to expect from a muslim when I meet one, it's like a code of living, and I love it because it's filled with respect for your elders, siblings, people and all living things. Of course, you have free choice, you can choose to not believe it, to embrace it is something else.

Umer wrote:I won't tear you apart, but your information is exactly like saying that Islam was spread by the sword, and it's not the truth, you can even research from a Christian historian and find that answer, it is exactly the same with Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) relationship with his wife ayesha, he married her when she was 9 but they did not have any contact nor was she brought into his house until she was 16, you can argue with me here but you can find that with any historian that is not secretly a priest or a rabbi. The secular historians I mean.

P.S. I didn't attack Christianity, I was just letting people know that shit around the world happens, doesn't mean the whole religion is screwed up or all of it's people, like I have heard so many times on this forum. Now you know how it feels.

From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:

"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""


You did not show me a place written in the Hadith that states she was 16. HERE I show you where it is written in your holy book that she was 9 years old and you still do not believe it. Why would you" being a Muslim call one of your holy books a lie? It is written in the life story of Mohammad that the child was six years old when he married her, and consummated the marrage when she was nine years old, not 16, and Aisha told her own story. You should not call one of your holy books a lie. That is blaspheming your own holy books, it is a great sin in any religion to blasphem what is the written truth.

THIS IS COMING FROM THE "HADITH" which is another book Muslims hold second in high regard to the Quran.

Scroll down to where is say's: Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: ON this site.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... ri/062.sbt. html

HERE is the online Hadith. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... h/bukhari/

Take care.

PS: Umer.......I am posting this from my written notes on the subject. I posted this a while back on two different forum sites. I got a lot of feed back on this subject, from Muslims and Christains alike. This site being one I posted this on.
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From what I have researched the past few years on the Quran and the Hadith, and the history of it all. I find that the Bible and the Quran resembles each other quite a lot. BUT the Quran is a twisted version the Bible. [I will get into that later.]

If you check back though history you find that during Mohammads day between the years 569ad and at his death 632ad" he was a hater of Christians and Jews. From what I have gathered so far he wanted nothing to do with Christianity. He made war on the Christians and Jews and killed thousands of them in his days. So to make a long story short he made up his on religion and called his newly found God, Allah and his newly found religion Islam. Now came the hardest part, that was to convince others that his religion was given to him by God himself. SO he told/ claimed that the Angel Gabriel {Remember the Angel Gabriel was is the Bible} gave him the true words that were to be his holy Quran. Then he self appointed himself as a holy prophet. That got his foot in the door for some people to start following him and his newly founded religion. History tells us he was a killer and theft, and would kill anyone who did not follow him, or have them killed. So all the threats and killings would put fear in the hearts of those who would question him. There is a lot more to it than what I am sasying. I am just trying to break it down fast so this doesn't turn into a book.

Getting back to the Quran. Mohammad could neither read nor write, and his Quran was written some 60 to 80 years after his death by his followers. They said that they had memorized everything he has said, then passed it down a few generations. OKKKKKKK following me on that!!

Now when you think hard about it, and really think hard about it, THE followers are the ones who "took" "and stole" passages from the Bible and they are the ones who twisted the Quran into a religion of their own choosing, and called it Islam. Muslims now do not want to believe this. BUT you have to admit the Bible was written first, and when you read the Bible and the Quran you will see that it does have some of the same passages written with in it's pages. [Just twisted around a LOT, and I mean a lot} The Bible was written around 600 years before Mohammad ever came into the picture.

The sites I sent you has 3 different translations that were translated by 3 different Muslim religious leaders. IF you take notice you will see each verse is different in some ways. The reason is: When the Quran was written in the 7th century, the early Arabic writings had no vowels, and no diacritical points which makes it very hard to recognize the real meaning of it. The Quran was written in the old ancient Arabic writing.. The old Arabic language that was used then started in or about the 4th century and it was a dialect off a language called Akkadian, and Ancient Aramaic. Now we’re covering 3,000 years of history here, so being Akkadian, and Ancient Aramaic are both dead languages now "so to speak" the "uncle" to the old ancient Arabic and biblical Hebrew which both are now dead languages in todays time, and so are ancient Greek. ALL these languages are not spoken today. So in order for someone to translate the old ancient Arabic that has no "vowels", no diacritical points" it is only a guessing game to translate what the vowels should be, and vowels are the most important thing in writing.

Remember now the Quran was written in the 7th century!!

So in the 8th century Arabic scholars felt the need to introduce rules for their Arabic writings" so they went back to a much older ancient Aramaic ancestor language [which is also now a dead language] and borrowed the diacritical points and 3 vowels. Scholars then trying to translate the Quran, and the Bible they had to guess what the vowels would be. So if you think about it, the Quran being it was FIRST written in the Old ancient Arabic letters [which is not used today] in the 7th century using NO vowels, NO diacritical points, and then later translated into a newer modern Arabic language using only 3 vowels, and diacritical points. Even in the 8th century the Scholar translators had to guess what a lot of words were, and add them.

To make that even more complicated: When the Quran is translated from the now modern Arabic which it is now written in" that has only 3 vowels, when it is translated into the English language [and remember we have 5 vowels] there is a LOT of guess work to be done on what vowel words to be used, and words are added and taken away from. Even one of my Arabic friends said for him to read the Old ancient Arabic language he would have to guess at what the vowels should be, and it would take him forever to understand what the true meaning of what the Quran really is saying. It would be like us reading the old English but worse. Same goes for the Bible transtions,

Old ancient Arabic is one of the Semitic" [dead] language families, and is a descendant of “proto-Semitic” an ancient Arabic language that was exclusively spoken then but not now. [Like old English isn't spoken now] Like I said the Quran was written in the OLD ancient Arabic, which is now a dead language. Only Religious Scholars have translated it, and they all have translated it different each time. No two or three Scholars has ever translated the Quran, and the Bible the same way" even twice.

The only true version of the Quran is the one that was written before the translations had taken place. AND being that the language that it was written in" is now a dead language' so know one is able to read them anyway except for religious leaders who say they can, and they guess at what the vowels should be, vowels are very important in any language. NO two religious leaders have ever translated the Quran into the English language twice the same way. That is why we have vowels in the English language so it can be understood.

Ok the Book Muslims call the Hadith. Muslims say the Hadith book is second highest in righteous as their Quran. So whatever you read in that book are true facts that happened the 7th century. Same goes for the Bible, all those books were written for that time, and place.

To me it just takes believing in GOD not a man made religion.

Take Care.

Majmaj wrote:

wewant2no2 wrote:

Umer wrote:I won't tear you apart, but your information is exactly like saying that Islam was spread by the sword, and it's not the truth, you can even research from a Christian historian and find that answer, it is exactly the same with Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) relationship with his wife ayesha, he married her when she was 9 but they did not have any contact nor was she brought into his house until she was 16, you can argue with me here but you can find that with any historian that is not secretly a priest or a rabbi. The secular historians I mean.

P.S. I didn't attack Christianity, I was just letting people know that shit around the world happens, doesn't mean the whole religion is screwed up or all of it's people, like I have heard so many times on this forum. Now you know how it feels.

From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:

"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""


You did not show me a place written in the Hadith that states she was 16. HERE I show you where it is written in your holy book that she was 9 years old and you still do not believe it. Why would you" being a Muslim call one of your holy books a lie? It is written in the life story of Mohammad that the child was six years old when he married her, and consummated the marrage when she was nine years old, not 16, and Aisha told her own story. You should not call one of your holy books a lie. That is blaspheming your own holy books, it is a great sin in any religion to blasphem what is the written truth.

THIS IS COMING FROM THE "HADITH" which is another book Muslims hold second in high regard to the Quran.

Scroll down to where is say's: Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: ON this site.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... ri/062.sbt. html

HERE is the online Hadith. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... h/bukhari/

Take care.

The Hadeeth you have is different from mine http://boltwolf.tripod.com/id31.html can some one check on this please.

Hi Majmaj, Read my above posting and you will see the reason your Hadith is different than the one I posted. Remember there are hundreds or more Hadiths, and all are NOT translated the very same way twice. You have to have the right book also or book number. READ my above posting and see why all translations differ in some ways..

Hope this helps.

Take care.

Umer wrote:I won't tear you apart, but your information is exactly like saying that Islam was spread by the sword.

YES that is what I am saying Islam was and is spread by the sword. Always has been from the time Islam started. Maybe you should read just how many wars took place to make Islam what it was then and what it is today. http://www.barkati.net/english/chronology.htm

In the history of religions it is obvious that Religion and Politics is a lethal mixture... in the name of Religion many battles and wars have been fought... often not because of the Religion itself, but using Religion as an excuse.
http://www.biblia.com/islam/history.htm

Here is another story using Islam Religion as an excuse to kill.
http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/neareast/ne09.html

Same goes for the Christians, They also use war and killing as an excuse. But I have to say when Islam same along many things,a nd wars got a lot worse. http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/crusades.stm

Islam seem to block out the reason the Crusades ever started. The Christians, and Jews of that time did not start the Crusades, History tells is Islam started those wars, The Christians went to recapture the Holy land from the Muslims who had killed and took over the HOly aLands of the Jews and Christians.

The war still rages today as who is right and who is wrong. THAT is why I say Fuck religions of all kinds, it's brought nothing but death and distruction from the very begining of all this.

Here is the story on how the Crusades were started and by whom.
http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/crusades.stm

Here is a good read. http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/bukhar52.htm
I double checked this Hadith to make sure what you read here did come from this Hadith book, and it did. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... 2.sbt.html

Here is another good read.
http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/bukhar52.htm

Take care.......

Ok, you wanted to start this, don't say I started it first:

Jeremiah 19:9

And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.

Luke 19:27

[The indignant king ended by saying] But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them--bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!

2nd Chronicles

12

And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;

13

That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

You have made me do something my religion doesn't allow me to, but to keep your mouth quiet, I had to and I will be punished but if you want me to, I can keep going. You want to say Islam is evil? I will make you realize why Christianity is losing the spiritual struggle. Bring it on.

Umer..........Didn't I say that both so-called darkages holy books are evil, and were written back when barbaric evil was happening. Umer that was very very very evil times, I have said both Christianty and Islam are both evil. I SAID ALL Religions can go fuck themselves, there all evil, I said they both have brought nothing but killing and distruction to all man kind....... I said ONE IS JUST AS BAD AS THE OTHER.....So what hell are you bitchen about?

I ask you to prove to me in the Hadith that Aisha was 16, and not a 9 year old child... Where is your proof that she was 16? HERE is the hadith it is written in that hadith that she was a 9 year old child. In the eyes of the civilized world Mohammad molested/raped a little child whatever you want to all it. So yes in my eyes he was a evil man, and he wrote a evil book, and so do the Bible have evil passages with in it pages too!. There isn't anything to bring on... THEY are both evil.

I say this again....... Fuck all religions.

BUT you never hear me say anything bad about GOD!

Take care......